This doesn't end well for anybody.
I'm scared for the future of the Catholic church - the dark ages where the church could make these decisions FOR people are over. The church has essentially thrown the gaunlet down: 'You're IN or you're OUT. What'll it be?'
I'm worried that most people will realize that it isn't a question. In between the lines, the church seems to be saying, "We've already kicked you out - you just keep coming on Sunday for some reason."
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Definitely a tough topic...
On a positive note, clever of your posting, I dig!
yes, tough. I have strong opinions which really don't mesh even with each other. We have talked before on this. I don't think an elected Catholic official should vote for abortion. I don't think any one should vote for that --but--I don't believe in banning church members for anything. There is no stopping once you start. They can't kick anyone out, they can "only" refuse communion. On a light note, your last line is funny. :)
oops, I meant clever title of your posting...my bad
sorry about the double post there...
in conclusion,
happy thanksgiving!
at times like this I like to quote John McLaughlin, who said "Wrongggg!!"
I would argue the single biggest threat to the Catholic church right now (and maybe always has been) is relativism. I once heard someone say "I'm Catholic, but I also believe in reincarnation." [sic]
That's just not possible. Either you believe Christ died to save your immortal soul or you don't. Obviously this is at one end of a spectrum of ecumenism with our abortion question somewhere further towards the other end.
Mr. Kennedy put the Church in an awkward position by announcing this. Let me repeat -- HE announced this request, not the Church. In fact, the Church made the request to him two years ago... Why the delay in publicizing it? My cynical side leans toward personal political advantage for Mr. Kennedy, but I'm open to more positive reasons.
Finally, not taking communion is NOT excommunication. No individual aware of unconfessed mortal sin should take communion. The bishop advised only to suspend the participation in the Eucharist. The difference here is that Kennedy could, by his actions alone return to full participation in the Mass. He is also still part of the Church while not fully participating. (maybe something like a spiritual cheerleader; fully supporting the team and wanting to win, but not taking any jump shots himself)
at times like this I like to quote John McLaughlin, who said "Wrongggg!!"
I would argue the single biggest threat to the Catholic church right now (and maybe always has been) is relativism. I once heard someone say "I'm Catholic, but I also believe in reincarnation." [sic]
That's just not possible. Either you believe Christ died to save your immortal soul or you don't. Obviously this is at one end of a spectrum of ecumenism with our abortion question somewhere further towards the other end.
Mr. Kennedy put the Church in an awkward position by announcing this. Let me repeat -- HE announced this request, not the Church. In fact, the Church made the request to him two years ago... Why the delay in publicizing it? My cynical side leans toward personal political advantage for Mr. Kennedy, but I'm open to more positive reasons.
Finally, not taking communion is NOT excommunication. No individual aware of unconfessed mortal sin should take communion. The bishop advised only to suspend the participation in the Eucharist. The difference here is that Kennedy could, by his actions alone return to full participation in the Mass. He is also still part of the Church while not fully participating. (maybe something like a spiritual cheerleader; fully supporting the team and wanting to win, but not taking any jump shots himself)
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